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personal responsibility for their lives. that was before that happened. we're 50 days out and people are voting. there's president obama today in ohio and there's mitt romney talking to a latino audience under a 42% gap he's losing now. it all looks bad for the republicans now. not pointing fingers at the man responsible for clint eastwood's performance at their convention. tonight mitt romney has leaked what he really thinks about the american people. >> the recording of mitt romney at a private fund raiser has gone public. >> romney, behind closed doors. >> he showed a lot of disdain and contempt for his fellow citizens.
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>> the poor of this country are just free loaders off society. >> something is wrong in the romney campaign. >> 50 days before the election. >> 50 days to go. >> mitt romney's campaign is now recalibrating. >> a new article depicts a campaign rief with inner turmoil. >> questions about its internal management. >> i've got a terrific campaign. >> the chief strategies stuart stevens. >> cobbled together a speech from scratch. >> republicans are baffled. >> he doesn't seem to be good to me. >> so no changes in your campaign? >> no. >> this race would turn on the economy unless. >> foreign policy is front and center. >> things happen abroad. >> my foreign policy as it relates to the middle east is to stand firmly with our allies. >> i think it's a -- >> i think they're in trouble.
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>> he's got a problem. >> the candidate needs to take control. >> just 50 zas left until the election. >> 50 days to go. >> he has seven weeks to get things right. >> i actually think this is the week that mitt romney cooked his goose as far as winning the presidency of the united states. i do. >> there are exactly 50 days until the presidential election and the wheels are coming off the campaign with reports of disastrous decision making and dissension among the campaign staff. tonight the romney campaign is reeling from the leak of a secretly recorded video of mitt romney speaking all too candidly at a campaign fund raiser where he managed to insult and lie about 150 million americans. the video features romney speaking at a fundraiser for wealthy donors. >> don't worry we'll take care of it.
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how are we going to do it in two months before the elections to convince everybody you've got to take care of yourself. there are 47% of the people vote for the by the way. 37% who are with him, who are dependent, who believe the government has the responsibility to care for them. who believe they're entitled to health care, to food, to housing. it's an entitlement and the government should give it to them and they will vote for this president no matter what. and the president starts off with 48, 49 -- he starts off with a huge number. these are people who pay no income tax. 37% of persons pay no income tax. so our message of no tax doesn't connect. he'll be out there selling tax cuts for the rich. so my job is not to worry about those -- i'll never convince them.
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they should take responsibility and care for their lives. what i have to do is convince the 5 to 10% that are independents, whether they like the guy or not. >> the romney campaign responded to the voed yoe with this statement. that wasn't mitt romney speaking. they couldn't say that. they wish they could have said that, but it very clearly is mitt romney speaking and the campaign confirmed that by not contesting it in any way. here is the statement that the losing presidential campaign came up with in response to mitt romney getting caught on tape. mitt romney wants to help all americans struggling in the obama economy as the governor has made clear all year, he is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly 1 in 6 americans
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in poverty and the 23 million americans who are struggling to find work. the plan creates 12 million new jobs in four years and gross the economy. joining me now david corn who broke the story today and the author of "voe down." it's out in paper back tomorrow. david, you were the first among us to hear this tape. your thoughts? i've got to say when i was listening to it just now, i thought i was hearing a guy who is really kind of hateful about these people. 47% of the electorate believe they are victims. this is not a nice guy talking here.
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>> there was a sweep of the remark that really got me when i first heard it. it's not as if he's saying people who get handouts are going to vote for obama because he's going to support or protect them. people can just for themselves the level of disdain, but he showed a sort of contempt there that anyone who voted for obama, half of the electorate, half of america, they all have this image of themselves as being victims and they don't pay taxes. and he set up this campaign we're having now as the clash between the strivers, those of us in the room who take personal initiative and have made our own success and the rest of the masses who just want to grab what they can from us via taxes. and the guy that wants to be president for all of america to dismiss these people as not believing in personal responsibility, i thought it was a tell.
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i don't believe he would say that if he didn't somehow believe it. >> david, how much more tape like this is there? >> this was a fundraiser that went on for about 70 minutes, conversations and there were a lot of other clips we put out today in the same article when he talked about his consulting team and why he doesn't want to insult the independent voters. but we'll have a piece out tomorrow with some new remarks that have not been reported yet. >> you're saving something. we've just gotten word that mitt romney has just suddenly decided to do a press availability tonight. just the fact that he's doing to night feels to me like a sign of panic. >> i think that's absolutely right. it was not a good day in the romney campaign about the reports in the dissension in the ranks.
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the videos devastating because they're not shocking. is anyone really surprised that mitt romney views at least half the country? i don't think so. that's the problem here is it plays into exactly the narrative what people already suspect about mitt romney and his views towards the american public. i have to say too. i want to address this 47% number, because that gets thrown around a lot by conservatives. it's a favorite talking point that 47% do not pay income tax. >> they usually say taxes. >> which leaves out sales taxes, property taxes and social security. 70% pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes. >> of that 47%, they pay pay roll taxes, 10% are seniors, 7% are too poor to pay any taxes. mitt romney may very well be one of those americans who pays zero in income taxes.
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>> i won't speculate. you know, just as a pure matter of politics, 10% of those people are elderly. those are the people the only age demographic he's had a lead over obama, he's told all senior citizens that are on social security they're too lazy and can't be reempled. the most devastating is i'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility for their own lives. the contentiousness. i'll tell you what his bigger problem is now --
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>> we just got this in from the press availability he just did, he took three questions. but this is clearly his version of an apology for this statement. he said that the komths he gave at the fundraiser, quote, were not elegantly stated and off the cuff. continue with your analysis of the damage if that's the best he can do. >> well, that will only exacerbate the damage on the one hand that we were just talking about. >> surely there was an elegant way of phrasing that 47% of the population were bums. off the cut means this is what i really think. >> i'm just telling you what's in my head. >> he meant to say from the heart. >> he's in a very tricky box right here and this is where the precariousness of the situation is. the right is already reacting with total defines on this issue.
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they don't see this as a problem. they want him to stand by these remarks. so he's in a position right now where his campaign because of things that happened last week on libya, because of the politico story, we were on the kas p of that. the he's got a problem with the middle of the electorate. if he backs off at all he's in the worst possible box and in some sense the worst thing that can happen for romney is if republicans just decide the moment where he has lost. it's every man for himself, let him go, and focus on the house and senate and we're not that far from that point right now. >> you have more to come tomorrow. i know you're not going to leak it here, but how bad a day is tomorrow going to be compared to today for romney on this story? >> let me help mitt romney sleep a little bit better tonight. i'm not sure it's as bad.
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but it will cause a problem, it could cause a problem in other ways. and, you know, i've watched the h whole tape. he didn't seem to be too tired. he wasn't slurring his words. he said a lot of things throughout the tape. some were funny and not controversial. he was in his element, talking to people, basically this is how we in the 1% talk about the 47% and we try to get 50% fooled into backing us. it was a caricature of a conversation you imagine going on at these fundraisers. >> krystal, i've been trying to pick the worst line he said here, it may be so my job is not to worry about those people. he's saying my job is to be president of 53% of the population at a maximum. that, in a presidential debate,
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is a devastating thing to have to confront. >> it makes you ask yourself, which i think a lot of us have been asking ourselves already, why does this man even want to be president. if he has such disdain for half of the electorate. conservatives frequently caricature liberals as being these elite snobs. i think here we see who the sneering classes are. they look like they're looking down at the rest of the public and live in a totally different world. david was talking about the man who hosted the fundraiser who has allegedly pushed one of the companies that they took over into bankruptcy in order to avoid paying those employees pension benefits. so when you're talking about the makers and the takers and you're looking at the income tax, i think a lot of americans feel like these are the ones who are getting the real breaks and we're the ones who are working hard and playing by the rules.
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>> it is the exact same, in one respect it's the exact same problem he had last week on libya. not presidential, not serious. for the middle of the electorate for somebody to -- who are not convinced about barack obama, he continually is acting in ways are beneath the way in which someone acts as president. not talking about being president of the whole country. not taking dead americans on foreign soil seriously. >> we're waiting to get video of mitt romney's little apology moment tonight. david corn, krystal ball. thank you. >> thank you. >> we have the single crazest thing he said on the tape is being saved for the rewrite. and next there are new reports of thedy evenings in the romney
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campaign and finger pointing at the man who is responsible for clint eastwood's performance, big surprise it turned out to be the guy i said who was responsible on the convention floor. and later the author of this week's cover story on "newsweek" will join me. [ ow ner ] i need to expand to meet the needs of my growing business. but how am i going to fund it? and i have to find a way to manage my cash flow better.
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mitt romney has just spoken to reporters in california. he is now desperately trying to write his campaign after the leaked audio of what he said at that fundraiser. we'll have the video of mitt romney with the reporters next. [ thunder crashes ]
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and on the clint eastwood thing, rachel, i have to tell you the master mind of this campaign and this convention, is a guy named stuart stevens, everyone knows about him. what people don't know about him, i hired him ten years ago to write for me on a television drama about politics. he loves show business. clint eastwood was stuart's idea. now they are disowning clint eastwood saying he was add libing. he was a disaster for a final hour of a convention to clue what clint eastwood did up here was absolutely disastrous. >> i may have been the first to criticize stuart stevens, but i am not the last. today romney campaign staff revealed, off the record of
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course, that stuart stevens bypassed romney's speech writers and then stevens junked the entire thing sending off a chaotic eight-day scramble that would produce an hour of prime-time problems for romney. the millions of viewers tuning in. but east wood, unlike every other speaker, had free rein to say or do whatever he wanted without the campaign's approval. politico is now turning on mitt romney. they're baffled that such a successful corporate leader has created a team with so few lines of authority or accountability. a new reuters national poll of
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likely voters shows that president obama leads mitt romney by 5 points tonight. as of tonight, president obama will within 305 votes, mitt romney will win 232. that is called a land slide. and president obama has a 75% chance of winning the election. mitt romney has a 25% chance. let's listen to mitt romney taking questions in california tonight. >> saw themselves as victims or weren't willing to take responsibility for their own lives and their own future. what did you mean by that? >> well, you said a number of things there. and the answer is that i'm talking about the political process of drawing people into my campaign. of course, individuals are going to take responsibility for their life. and my campaign is about helping
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people take more responsibility and becoming employed again, particularly those that don't have work. this whole campaign is focused on getting people jobs again, putting people back to work. this is ultimately a question about direction for the country. do you believe in a government-centered society that provides more and more benefits, or do you believe instead in a free enterprise society where people are able to pursue their dreams? i believe the latter will help people get good jobs. this is a campaign about how to help the middle class in america and how to bring people out of poverty into the middle class. and we've seen the results of the last three, four years, and it has not worked. my approach will get 12 million new jobs and rising take-home pay. >> you're not backing away from anything you said in this video? and do you worry you've offended this 47% who you mentioned? >> well, you know, it's not
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elegantly stated, let me put it that way. i'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question and i'm sure i could state it more clearly in a more effective way than i did in a setting like that. and so i'm sure i'll point that out as time goes on. but we don't even have the question given the snippet there nor the full response, and i hope the person who has the video would pul put out the full material. but it's a message which i'm going to carry and continue to carry which is look. the president's approach is attractive to people who are not paeg taxes because, frankly, my discussion about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them and therefore i'm not likely to draw them into my campaign as effectively to those in the middle. this is a discussion about the political process of winning the election. and of course i want to help all americans, all americans have a great and prosperous future. and i'm convinced that the president's approach has not
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done that and will not do that. >> reporter: this is now the second time where you've made comments at a fundraiser to donors that are different from what you say on the trail. what assurances can you give the voters. >> you're coming to my fundraiser and this the same message that i give to people which is that we have a different approach the president and i between a government-dominated society and a society driven by free people pursuing their dreams. i'm talking about the process of campaigns. typically i don't talk about process in speeches because i think candidates are wiser to talk about policy and their vision than to talk about how they're going to win an election at a fundraiser. you have people say how are you going is to win this and so i respond the president has his group, i have my group. i want to keep my team trong and motivated and i want to get the people in the middle. and it's something which fundraiser people are interested in, can you win or not.
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>> are those things you believe? are those core convictions? >> that was a desperate man in a desperate situation. he's not really addressing what he said there. let's remember what he said. there are 47% of americans who are with him, with president obama, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them. that man believes that 47% of america thinks we are victims. he also said about those 47%, so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.
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there is no more insulting thing that a presidential candidate, and it's a lie, by the way, that a presidential candidate has ever said about 47% of america. >> two things jumped out listening to that. one is first of all, the policy idea that he's trying to get across by saying this and what he's trying to refocus this on now is the idea that there's this stark choice between obama's government-dominated society and mitt romney's free enterprise society. i would just say that in president obama's society, how has the stock market done for the last four years? but the big thing to address what you're saying here, here's the big problem. what he gave in that fundraising spiel earlier, is a crude version of what is the dominant philosophy on the right today. there was a moment in this country that 47 of the people do not pay federal income taxes
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right now basically because of the great recession, because of a tax policy that has republican origins. >> and mitt romney may be one of him. >> he may represent an entirely different thing. but there was a movement on the right last year, we are the 53% movement and all of these conservative people posting messages and telling their story how they were the makers. and one of the things you found out is these people would post their stories and they were actually part of the 47%. they would tell their stories and talk about what their income level is and what kind of work they do and you could run the numbers and you could see they don't pay federal income tax either they're just not aware of it. they have this mentality they're part of the mickers and the obama supporters are part of the takers. he was crude from what he said but from a policy stand point he can't walk away from it.
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>> i have to say listening to him there, it did sound lieblg it comes from his heart. that did sound like a core belief. and it is inconceivable to me that he can get through the first five minutes of the first presidential debate without being asked about his attitude toward 47% of the people and his statement that his job is too not worry about 47% of the country. >> well, remember he also said he's not worried about the very poor. because they have social safety net programs, which he wants to get rid of. so he's really not worried about those people. this is not the first time that behind closed doors mitt romney has, you know, been more willing to give more details. we saw that during the primary. it's also, frankly, lawrence, and this is why i don't buy this spin they're trying to push that this is just about the bigger
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argument about the role of government. this is not the first time we heard him talk about free loaders. people wanting free stuff. he's said you want the other guy if you want free stuff. so there's this per vasive false attitude and mythology to what steve was just saying, they're the makers, they're the hard workers and everybody else, we're just lazy, just turning off the alarm clock in the morning trying to avoid going to work, trying to avoid working hard. it's incredibly insulting. and again, this campaign has the same problem they have time and time again. even if you buy their spin, let's say you do, what they don't recognize is that that 47%, that would be, you know, half of the american population. the very people you're trying to lead. essentially, you're completely dismissing who they are, how they live their lives and the relevance of their lives. and most of this group of people are people who either have
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worked very hard in their lives or are trying to work very hard in their lives to move forward. and it's such a sign of disrespect. my old boss used to say, it's a sign of respect to show up and ask people for their votes. clearly mitt romney doesn't think he needs to show anybody that kind of respect. >> i think those of us who follow campaigns professionally are going to remember where we were at 10:25 p.m. on monday, september 17th when we saw mitt romney standing up at that podium to give his response to getting caught at saying the stupidest thing, the worst thing that any major party nominee has ever said while running for president. this is worse than mondale saying i will raise taxes. this is a man saying he has resentment, something close to hatred for 47% of the america
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and that was the best he could do at that microphone tonight. i think what we just saw was part one of mitt romney's concession speech of defeat of this campaign. >> i was trying to think of an analogy of a previous example in american context that had some kind of incident like this that rose to the american campaign. >> it goes to nixon i'm not a crook. >> the closest thing i could think of was britain two years ago where he had that hot mike incident, where he's an underdog and he gets caught calling a woman a bigoted woman. and that was just couple of weeks before the election. that's the closest analogy i can think of. >> thank you very much for joining me on what turns out to be a historic night in the campaign.
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thank you. coming up, mitt romney spoke to the hispanic chamber of commerce and asked them for their vote. he did not repeat the joke that he made at a private fundraiser about latino voters. the exclusive interview of the "news week" story that seeks to explain why the protests have erupted around our embassies. [ male announcer ] research suggests the health of our cells plays a key role throughout our entire lives. ♪ one a day men's 50+ is a complete multi-vitamin
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i have spoken often about how proud i am of my father. he was born to american parents who were living in mexico. when he was five, they left everything behind and started over again in the united states. >> mitt romney loves to use that old my father was born in mexico line to try to appeal to latinos latinos and you just saw him using it today with the united states hispanic chamber of commerce.
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mitt doesn't talk about it quite the same way when he is speaking to his fundraising audiences which are not exactly heavily latino. here is how he talked about his mexican adventure at a fundraiser. >> my heritage my dad as you probably know was the governor of michigan and was the head of a car company. but he was born in mexico and had he been born mexican, of mexican parents, i would have a better shot at winning this. the but he was unfortunately born to americans living in mexico. he lived there for a number of years, and uh, i say that jokingly but it would be helpful to be latino. there's mitt romney wishing he could rewrite his family's
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mexican history and his republican audience actually found it pretty funny. they laughed at him saying it, jokingly, that it would be helpful to be latino. would that same republican audience laugh if barack obama was reminiscing about how his family fled the united states of america to go to mexico because his great-grandfather found american law limiting him to one wife at a time to be just unbearable? would those same republicans be laughing if this was a story about barack obama's family temporarily living in mexico for no other reason than his great grandfather's desire to continue his polyga must marriages with five wives? that's why his family was in mexico.
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diplomats at the u.s. em bass say in beirut have started to stroi classified material as a precaution as protests continued today. in the spotlight tonight, this "newsweek" cover story about the protests and attacks on the u.s. embassies. joining me now by phone for an exclusive interview, the author of that cover story vernlt the author of three books. in 2005 she was named by "time" magazine as one of the hundred most influential people in the world. ayaan thank you for joining me tonight. in your piece, you recall your
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experience in these kinds of protests this way. you say, in 1989, when i was 19, i piously, even gleefully participated in a rally in kenya to burn the satanic verses. i had never read that. i wonder how many of the people out there in the protests have actually read the material or looked at the material that is supposedly provoking these kinds of protests. i don't suppose there's any way we can find that out, is there? >> well, it's very difficult to find that out. but what we know is that the brother of the current leader of al qaeda confessed in an interview today that he has not seen the film and that it's enough for him.
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the name of the film was enough for him to appeal to people that he thinks follow him. and what i'm confessing in 1989 is similar to what i think a number of people in those crowds, motivated by which is sadly the madness of crowds. from the time that we understand our religion, i was five years old when i first went to kuran school, i was taught to be loyal and fa nationalically loyal to the kuran. at the age of 18, regardless of the fact that i had lived in four different countries, i understood one thing and that was anyone who offended or said anything about the prophet mohammed should die. and i did that unthinkingly. that does not excuse the individual responsibilities once they leave the company of the
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crowd. >> and whether he we look at the videos, we see in some cases hundreds of people. in others we see thousands of people. but these are countries that have very big populations, where you're judging by video, certainly 99% of the population ignores these kinds of demonstration. >> we don't know if it is 99% of the population. what we know is that 99% of muslims are brought up with the idea that the prophet mohammed and the kuran cannot be ridiculed by human beings. there's a small minority who is willing to engage in violence and in murder, you know, to the logical end of that belief.
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but the vast majority of muslims, even though they may condemn violence, they haven't somehow found a way to bring themselves to understand that it is -- they may be offended, but somehow human life is more valuable than offense taken in the name of religious icons. >> you say in the piece that you refer to the homicidal few. that there's just few who would be actually moved to kill for this in the case we saw in the libyan embassy, which may have been a more organized attempt to assassinate that ambassador. but you do go on to say that the point you've just made, that there are plenty of muslim men and women who support, i'm quoting you now, who support whether actively or passively
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the idea that blasphemers deserve to suffer punishment. but the punishment could be something minor. when you use the word punishment, that would include something far less than the violent things we've seen. >> oh, yeah. some of my muslim friends their way of punishing me was to simply not talk to me or to say you are a liar and traitor and call me names. so there is a whole range of things that you can do between, you know, disapproving of an act to engaging in murder. but how can we make the vast majority of muslims who do not want to murder, how can we make them conscious of the fact that the punishment of murder and violence is absolutely wrong? >> you are optimistic in this piece in the long term. you basically say that if these
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governments get controlled by, become theocracys because they will strip women of their rights, murder homosexuals and that will ultimately destroy these governments of their own weight. but that sounds like a 30-year plan for getting to some safer place for the world. >> well, lawrence, it's not a plan. it is an expression of hope. it is based on the analysis of what happened in iran where a large, middle class, educated crowd were enticed by khomeni. and those people have lived under sharia law and in 2009 we have seen them under demonstrations saying we don't want this anymore. it is unfortunate that egyptians and tunisians and maybe the
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yemens. will vote for the muslim brotherhood. but what we know from human history, and we, you and i and everyone else has assumed that the muslim world is human. is that totalitarian ideas have a short life span. it can be ten years in one country, or 40 or 50 years in another country but people will not be able to live with with the human rights. the next thing is what's going to come next. i celebrated the falldown of the dictators in the middle east. i am celebrating. i celebrate with everyone the desire for freedom in the arab
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world. but that desire for freedom must come with an understanding of the fullness of freedom. all of it. and the foundational basis of freedom is the freedom of speech. the freedom of conscience. the freedom of the past. so it's only a matter of time in my view that this world is going to embrace freedom as we understand it in america and i find it very sad in america and in the western world we keep qualifying the first amendment. we should not. >> ayaan hirsi ali, thank you for joining us. >> thank you lawrence. >> coming up tomorrow night. author salmon rushdie will join me. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national.
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my position is not one penny more for libya or egypt or pakistan until they act like our allies. some say we've got to keep sending it, fine. let's send it when they act like our allies. let's send it when they start behaving like civilized nations and come to their senses. >> joining me now, rula. rand paul, if we go with the rand paul view of the world, what happens? >> then the extremists will win. very simple. the more you challenge these countries to democracy -- i'm not sure what he said is true. i'm not sure we give libya anything. pakistan, yes. egypt yes. but we always gave them that in
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condition of protecting the peace treaty with israel. we gave the pakistani in condition to fellow al qaeda and allow us our drone attacks. in these countries, these reform we're asking will take time. they've been news to be run by dictators for deckates. five american presidents supported the dictators. so to turn the history around and to turn everything upside down, it will take time. it takes education and it takes more than that. the american government is well seen today in arab countries. i was in beirut in june and they were celebrated. for the first time you see president obama seen as a person that actually pacify the western world america with the arab world. but today, let's look what's happening in the united states. some people are telling -- >> we're going to have to -- >> don't vote because he's